Hold Onto Your Old Bibles and Preserve Them AT ALL COSTS
Edited 19th March 2013 (edited parts in purple)
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NIV 1984 Has Now Been Removed From Online Bible Sites (such as "Biblegateway", "Biblos", "bible.com","Bible.cc"). I looked at a few others - in all cases the same story. All of these are now ONLY listing The Corrupt 2011 Version.
URGENT
NIV 1984 Has Now Been Removed From Online Bible Sites (such as "Biblegateway", "Biblos", "bible.com","Bible.cc"). I looked at a few others - in all cases the same story. All of these are now ONLY listing The Corrupt 2011 Version.
It has come to my notice that yet another evil is amongst us moving by stealth as part of the increasing apostasy.
Many of us are aware in how our churches have been infiltrated with false teaching, counterfeit Christianity and paganism in increasing measures over the last 30 or so years. Those who are fundamental Bible believers (especially watchmen and discerners) have been working overtime trying to stem the flow of apostasy by declaring what THE BIBLE says.
So what happened? The apostates brought in false bibles like the new age version "Message" bible and twisted versions like the New Living Translation and many others, which are "politically correct" versions to satisfy the fleshly desires of sinful nature. Then newer corrupted revisions of the hitherto trusted versions were brought in, like the 2011 revision of the NIV. To read about that, pleaseclick here
Up until recently the NIV 1984 version and other reliable older versions (such as the NASB and KJV) were still available on bible sites.
Today, I have discovered that all the bible websites seem to have now removed the 1984 NIV version. I also noticed that other older revisions of some of the other reliable versions such as NASB and KJV also seem to have been removed. What we now seem to have remaining is: NIV 2011, KJV 2000, NASB 1995 as the most recent ones in stock. Even the NKJV is difficult to find on some sites. I guess that these will also soon be removed from Christian bookshops also.
Soon, it will be impossible to buy any bibles which have not been increasingly corrupted by the money grabbing "christian" pharisees of the 21st Century. Please note my article on that subject by clicking here.
For those who are not aware, the newer versions are not JUST a reprint but include modifications. These modifications range from very subtle changes to much bigger (more noticeable) ones. Mostly they are aimed to meet the demand for bibles that are more contemporary (i.e, more politically correct and more suitable to those with "itching ears").
Therefore, we ALL need to hold onto the REAL unadulterated TRUTH of God's Word as best as we can by RETAINING those older versions because SOON they will no longer be available. It is clear that the apostates are doing this deliberately so that the next generation can no longer recognise false teaching and therefore will be unable to oppose the false teachers - because their bibles are corrupted to suit these false teachers and allow them to flourish in even greater ways.
Therefore, we ALL need to hold onto the REAL unadulterated TRUTH of God's Word as best as we can by RETAINING those older versions because SOON they will no longer be available. It is clear that the apostates are doing this deliberately so that the next generation can no longer recognise false teaching and therefore will be unable to oppose the false teachers - because their bibles are corrupted to suit these false teachers and allow them to flourish in even greater ways.
14 comments:
But in a changing world as apostasy increases this may not be so in the future.
God bless
Chris.
I have always used Bible Gateway also. Yesterday I visited them. I noticed (yesterday) that they had removed the NIV 1984 version. I wondered if it was just them or whether I could find another site that STILL listed the 84 version. There are others I have visited in the past that used to have that version.
I was shocked to find that ALL of them had removed it. I also THEN noticed that these sites had removed other older versions such as the NASB. I could not find any listed Bibles of any versions which were older than 1995. This is why I wrote the article. I am shocked that "so called" believers can do something so blasphemous as to distort God's Word.
By the way, I have made some changes to the article. Please read the edited bits, which are in purple.
Regarding the NIV, I sent an email to Bible Gateway and this was their reply:
Bible Gateway Customer Care, Mar 28 12:37 (EDT):
Dear Madam,
Greetings from Bible Gateway! Thank you for contacting us.
Our publishing partner, Biblica, who generously provides the NIV text to Bible Gateway, has requested the removal of the older NIV (1984 edition) and the TNIV resources.
During the transition to the most recent edition of the NIV (first published in 2010), the older 1984 edition and the TNIV were made available for more than two years on Bible Gateway to make it easy for people to compare the upgrades in the text as they transitioned to the current edition. Now that this transition period is over, the NIV’s worldwide publisher, Biblica, has requested that we remove the older 1984 and TNIV editions from Bible Gateway.
Bible Gateway is a distributor of Biblical content and does not have control over the sale nor free distribution of Bible texts. We will abide by legal licensing restrictions and are complying with Biblica’s request.
Older editions of the NIV will no longer be available on Bible Gateway or any website. We’ve provided further information on the transition of the NIV through:
https://support.biblegateway.com/forums/21800162-NIV-Transition
Again, thank you so much for contacting us. We appreciate the opportunity to serve you online.
Respectfully,
Bible Gateway Customer Care
www.biblegateway.com
Very interesting. I took a look at the site address listed in their email. This is what it says to the following question "Is there anywhere I can access older editions of the NIV?":
"Yes. Older editions of the NIV are no longer available on Bible Gateway or any website, but the Committee on Bible Translation (who is solely responsible for the translation of the NIV) and Biblica (the worldwide NIV publisher and copyright holder) have designated the Wheaton College Archives & Special Collections as the official repository of historical documents related to the NIV.
At present the historical text is not available online, however, discussions are underway to determine if it will be possible to access previous editions of the NIV online for research purposes. When available, access will be in accordance with the Wheaton College Archives & Special Collections access guidelines.
In the absence of the 1984 NIV and TNIV, we hope you’ll give the most current edition of the NIV a chance, as many Bible Gateway users and believers around the world have done."
Therefore, I call upon everybody to write into Bible Gateway (inundating them) with requests to make the NIV 1984 version (as well as other older versions they are in the process of removing) available from Wheaton.
We need to tell Bible Gateway that the newer versions are not accurate translations being too "politically correct" to fit in with what general public opinion think rather than in what GOD SAYS.
"The NIV remains the most popular English contemporary translation, with more than 450 million copies distributed since it was first published in 1978.
During the transition to the most recent edition of the NIV (first published in 2010), the older 1984 edition and the TNIV were made available for more than two years on Bible Gateway to make it easy for people to compare the upgrades in the text as they transitioned to the current edition.
This transition period mirrors the earlier two-year transition from the 1978 version to the 1984 version. Now that this transition period is over, the NIV’s worldwide publisher, Biblica, has requested that we remove the older 1984 and TNIV editions from Bible Gateway, and we are complying with their wishes.
Since the latest edition of the NIV was published in December 2010, over 11 million copies have been distributed and it has been adopted by thousands of churches, ministries, authors and other publishers around the globe. We understand your disappointment that the 1984 edition of the NIV is no longer available, but we hope you’ll grow to appreciate the updated NIV, as many other Bible Gateway visitors have done."
THEY SIMPLY DO NOT 'GET IT'! It is not about how many copies are being sold and that we will "grow to love it". IT IS A FALSE TRANSLATION PERIOD!!! There will be NO "growing to love it, but actually a despising of it because it is a CORRUPTION.
Bible Gateway does not make judgments as to the accuracy of Bibles. They simply offer as a service a "gateway" to any and all versions. They offer The Message which cannot even be considered a Bible. It is one of those "trendy" things that caught on, probably because Billy Graham pushed it.
Personally I use the New King James because it is an actual translation. This is not a discussion about Bible versions, but I have found it to be accurate and I like it better than the King James in many ways such as it capitalizes the pronouns of Deity while the King James does not. It has its critics, primarily from the KJV only crowd.
It would stand to reason that God's Word would be high on Satan's target list. And he has been quite successful in "dumbing down" the Word of God. But what is amazing is that the verses dealing with salvation still pack the power necessary to convert.
The New Living Transatio has become quite popular, but I do not trust it and do not use it.
My recommendation is to totally abandon the NIV which I did many years ago.
Thanks for the heads up on this.
This article (and subsequent comments) is NOT JUST ABOUT the NIV. I used that as an illustration to what is happening generally to ALL Bibles.
Even the NASB older versions have now been removed. The oldest one still shown is only as old as 1995.
The NIV 2011 version edited "brothers" with "brothers and sisters" even where the context was clearly talking to men. Same with thje NLT.
This was the first thing I noticed. That in itself was sufficient to tell me it was a corrupted version. The NIV 1984 was still not yet affected by "political correctness".
Now all the bibles versions are one by one being changed. The KJV is a 2000 revision now and probably the NKJV has been updated too.
This is why I STRONGLY encourage everybody to stick with what they have got because you don't know what your replaced version is likely to be like.
It is not just about the NIV 1984 being removed. It is the principal of the matter. This stands as the thin edge of the wedge of ALL reliable translations being removed and replaced with inferior, corrupted,watered down,contemporary versions.
We need to make our voices heard opposing this trend, so that the next generation (if there is one before the rapture) have the TRUE Bible and not an apostate version.
The managers tell me to contact the publishers directly. Which I have done and yet to receive a response. So I contacted them again this morning 3/30/2013
http://zondervan.com/ http://www.thomasnelson.com/
Who else publishes the NIV 1984?
God Bless,
Wayne
However, my contention is that even the 1984 NIV is not trustworthy.
Not to sound defeatist, but I do believe that any protests to Bible Gateway,Thomas Nelson or any publisher will fall on deaf ears. The apostasy has gone too far which is evident in all aspects of Christiandom.
As believers we just have to come to terms with the reality of the apostasy and that it is what it is. That does not mean that we do not continue to sound the alarm, but there are some things where there is a possiblity our voice will be heard and there are places where it just will not. That being with companies that are big business and so heavily influenced by those who have agendas to corrupt the Word.
So-called Christian bookstores are not a safe source anymore. They are about the bottom line, catering to an apostasized Church that wants pablum instead of meat.
Biblegateway is constrained by legalities. That is the real world. I will be careful that what I get from there from the NKJV matches my Bible. The changes can be very subtle.
But God is faithful to preserve the portion of His Word that speaks to salvation.
The Word has been distorted, misquoted, twisted and this is even with the best of the translations.
I think where we can do the most good is to spread the word amongst our circle of influence rather than mount a campaign against the big boy corporations and Biblegateway. Just sayin'......
Again, appreciate the heads up!!!
I know that being KJV only is not very popular, but it is now my stance, before now, I went to and fro with my feelings on versions. I do not understand the problems people say they have with the old English.
I was looking at something someone sent me, it is a paragraph written in words that are all mixed up. The test is to see if you can read the words as if they were normally written. I had no problem at all, so to me, that shows how our brain can recognise words. Thus I do not see the problem with a few thees and thous! The other positive with the KJV is that because there are so many 'protectors' of it, you can be assured of being able to find the Authorised text online. If/when you cannot purchase the proper KJV online in bookstores, you could download and print it out from the KJV sites.
I much appreciate your comments.
I hear what you are saying. However, if enough people contact Wheaton, online sites etc about their concern it will have SOME effect because this godless world STILL operates on "supply and demand". If there is sufficient demand/concern for the older versions of our "trusted" versions, then MAYBE they will make them available.
Bible Gateway DID say:
" discussions are underway to determine if it will be possible to access previous editions of the NIV online for research purposes. When available, access will be in accordance with the Wheaton College Archives & Special Collections access guidelines.
So, I assume they will do this IF enough of us make that demand. We can use this situation to point out our GENERAL concerns about ALL the Bible versions, KJV, NKJV, NASB etc that the older versions of ALL of these be made available also.
I agree that the NIV 1984 is not perfect, but is is perfectly okay to use comparatively with the NASB and KJV or with NKJV and KJV.
The advantage of the NIV is that it is in modern English. When I compared the NIV with those other versions I found little fault with it AS LONG AS I always referred back to the KJV and NASB on the more difficult passages.
With the 2011 version there are SOOOOOO many issues that it is no longer possible to study with it anymore.
The NIV is contaminated and uses the tainted Westcott & Hort manuscripts as do other cultish 'Bibles' Blessings Pastor David Hall